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Thinking About Our Fictions
So I took some time and read an article that's been floating around the internet for a while. It's called Goodbye to Comics, by a rather sharp lady named Valerie D'Orazio. She's got a history in the comics biz and she's working on a new Cloak and Dagger series for Marvel as we speak. I'll warn you, her article is not for the faint of heart because it's damn brutal in its honesty, but it's worth reading a hundred times over.

She makes some interesting points in here, and she also brings up something that made me stop and think a bit. You have to read between the lines a bit because she makes a point of not naming names, but it seems she was part of the team involved with the production of DC's Identity Crisis from a few years back. At the time, I thought this was a really good book, and in a lot of ways (even upon reflection) it still is. With one little glaring issue that just stared me in the face tonight.

The issue? The rape of Sue Dibny.

In the context of the book, what happens is this: Sue Dibny is the normal, non-powered wife of long time "Justice Leaguer" The Elongated Man. Ralph and Sue Dibny were long portrayed as a great couple, the envy of the superhero community . . . a long, stable, loving relationship that every other cape wished they had.

In the course of the miniseries it's revealed that one of the League's old enemies, the original Dr. Light, managed to make it up to the Watchtower while Sue was there alone and raped her. What follows is a bunch of controversy, up to and including Zatanna magically scrambling Dr. Light's brains so he ends up with a mystic lobotomy out of the whole deal. And the story goes on from there into a murder mystery, etc, etc.

But here's my thing, about the rape of Sue, and something that just never clicked in my head until now . . . why her?

Why a rape? Because it was unforgivable? Something that would play on the heartstrings? I could almost buy that, save for the fact that it's shown in a hideously graphic detail. It's something depicted in such a manner that'd give even the most hardcore among us pause. I remember seeing it at the time and uttering a quick "Jesus Christ" under my breath. At the time, I took it in the stride of the book because the damn thing's really unrelenting in just how harsh it can be. But looking back right now, having read Valerie's recounting of her time at DC, I just have to think, "Did they have to go there?"

So why a rape? Because it was dark, gritty? Because it was just that hard? Okay, fine. You wanna market the thing. You want to turn in the meanest of the mean in an age of falling, flailing innocence. All right, if that's the case, my question is this: why did it have to be the rape of a woman?

Just stop and think about that one for a second. It happens so often in fiction these days, we barely seem to notice it. We accept it. Woman gets raped. It's part of the story. It's an awful, awful thing, yeah . . . but we just seem to accept it as something that happens to women. Yet I rarely if ever see it pointed toward the men. And I thought about it from that perspective, how powerless it would make a man feel, how humiliated, how angry, how wounded . . . and somehow, deep as I try to be, it occurs to me I just never really thought about that before. How for some reason fiction had tuned me to the point that the rape of a woman was somehow commonplace in fiction and therefore something that could almost be expected to happen, but the same horrible thing happening to a man was unthinkable, because . . . well, I can't even say.

I wonder about that, right now. Men just can't be shown to be victims. It's almost not allowed. Right now, part of me is balking at it, because it just doesn't work that way. It's icky, right? It's out of bounds. It's something to make the reader uneasy.

Edit: Needed to expand on this one because I didn't think I made my point clearly the first time, and it's this: it's not that it would somehow be better for a man to be raped in a story, or that it's "equal time" or something, it's that it's something that just would not be allowed. The unspoken rule is that you're not supposed to leave a man powerless and victimized in a story, but a woman? Fair game. That's what's making me irritated here.

I feel like while I understood the position of Gail Simone when she undertook the Women in Refrigerators website a long while back, I didn't really get it. I thought I did. Even now, even reflecting on what Valerie wrote and all that and thinking I've had a revelation, I know somehow I still don't get it because there's that horrible little shred of me that's more willing to accept the rape of a woman in the course of a fiction that the same fate befalling a man.

She seems to be on to something. Maybe somewhere we accept it because it's salacious, and on some twisted level we consider it bordering on the erotic. Just even typing that makes me a little sick to my stomach, honestly. You know, in the course of reading Identity Crisis, I thought it was something of a revelation, a line being crossed and a daring story being told. But it didn't give me half the revelation that reading Valerie's article gave me. It's made me consider the stories I read in a new light.

Yeah, stories involving rape are important in fiction. They honestly are. Shit happens in life, and sometimes the stories reflect that. But writers and the audience really need to consider why such a hard and unforgiving element is included in a story. Some things aren't toys. You're never going to see a groundbreaking story involving Holocaust slapstick, you know? There's never going to be a happy whimsical romp though war torn Rwanda that's going to represent anything but the worst of us. So when you pick up a story element like rape, understand you're dealing with something that's pretty damn radioactive in a fictional sense: handle it with the respect it deserves, or you're just spraying something poisonous all over the place.

Maybe I need to reassess what I read from now on. I'm thinking back to stuff like Wanted and old time Swamp Thing and such, and putting it into perspective. I dunno. What we take in when it comes to our stories, it says a lot about who we are, and who we want to be.

Something I need to think about, I guess. Oh Superman . . . where are you now?

Current Mood: contemplative

Comments
kittenmorag From: [info]kittenmorag Date: December 31st, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well said, that man.

I like to compare the lack of men being raped to men in abusive relationships- Look at the movie 'My Super Ex-Girlfriend'. If the gender roles in that were swapped, it wouldn't have been filmed, let alone released, but because male obviously couldn't be in that situation in real life, because he's in control all the time, it's hilarious, it's something to be laughed at.

And of course, there's the unspoken thought that a man can't not want sex, therefore male rape can't happen (unless it's man on man, then it's just faggy perverty). Or, alternatively, Rape Is OK When It's Female On Male

It's alright to use females as plot devices like that because it's what society expects. The woman is vulnerable, and the man is untouchable. No one could violate him like that. Although the main character/supporting character point that got brought up on WiR is also a good one.

Oh lord, this issue makes me so angry. Sorry if this didn't make a lot of sense.

=^..^=
nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: December 31st, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, you hit it on the head. You're not supposed to have the man in a story raped because god forbid he cannot be the victim. No no no. Can't make him powerless and violated and all that.

You will never see Green Lantern or Cyclops or even a b-list character like Nightwing or Beast in that kind of situation. It just wouldn't be allowed. And if you wouldn't do it to them, why would you do it to a woman?

And while I love what Simone has done over the years with Barbara Gordon, redefining her as Oracle from after the Joker's bullet ended her career as Batgirl . . . while that's some awesome stuff, it doesn't change the fact that they'd never have put Dick Grayson in a wheelchair.
kierthos From: [info]kierthos Date: December 31st, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Or the fact that Batman was able to "get better" from having his back broken, but when Barbara Gordon got her mobility restored, it lasted for all of one or two issues in Birds of Prey.

I do, however, think Randy Milholland has a good take on it.

Super Stupor
nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: December 31st, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Funnily enough, D'Orazio linked to the same comic herself at some point.
neko_indi From: [info]neko_indi Date: December 31st, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think this speak a whole lot to the attitudes around rape, abuse and gender in general - you don't just see it in comics, this is a reflection of societal views.

And it's a shame, because honestly? Maybe if they did a story with male-victim rape in it, more kids might speak out about what happens to them - there's this huge stigma against male victims, and it means that, just like women 20-30 years ago, people stay silent.

What bothers me more is that I've worked with people who are in the business of helping victims of abuse who reflect these attitudes: men can't be raped, women are always the victims of abuse, men are always the perpetrators. It's sexist, and it's untrue, and it's wrong. And it frustrates the hell out of me.

We need to change a great many things in the world. This is just one of them.
nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: December 31st, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Eh, that's valid, but that's not what's bothering me.

It's that if you wouldn't put a male character through a rape, why would you do it to a female character?
majrgenrl8 From: [info]majrgenrl8 Date: December 31st, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
There was a mainstream superhero comic that featured the rape of the main male character. It just happens that there is a debate over whether or not it counts as rape. Just for the record, it does.

Nightwing was raped in his own book by a woman after a traumatic event. It was during Devon Grayson's run on the book.

Now, I'm not saying this to qualify the overuse of the rape storyline or girlfriend in refrigerator plotting of comics. I just thought you'd like to know that one does indeed exist. And he was portrayed as powerless as far as I remember. But the book never really dealt with the repercussions.

nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: January 1st, 2009 12:00 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that's part of it, and part of what I mean when I say rape in a story is not a toy.

The rape of Sue Dibny had lasting after effects. And while it wasn't a rape, the Joker shooting Barbara Gordon became critical to the character . . .

But to be honest? Hearing that Nightwing was raped is completely news to me, and that says something.
fairy_wench From: [info]fairy_wench Date: December 31st, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
if you wouldn't put a male character through a rape, why would you do it to a female character?

Because, simply put, women in ficiton are commodities, victims, femmes fatale, ingenues, plot devices, spinsters and stereotypes and damsels in all manner of distress. They are, almost without fail, the direct or indirect objects on which male verbiage is committed. And this is because we live in a society in which women are anything and everything but people. We live in a society in which a woman can be victimized, infantalized, brutalized, idolized, scandalized, commodified, empowered, embittered, idealized and exhausted; but rarely, if ever, are we allowed to simply be.

Or, to answer your question a bit less flailingly: The male victim of a crime like rape is seen as somehow inherently feminized, and in real life becomes the object of ridicule and scorn; in fiction, a story no one wants to either tell or hear. Men don't have to remain involate, but they do have to remain men. As a result, rape, along with most forms of adult victimization, are reserved for women and effeminate or very young men.
nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: January 1st, 2009 12:02 am (UTC) (Link)
If you wouldn't put a man though it, then a woman's just as off-limits, plain and simple.

Yes, I know sometimes it serves the story. CSI is a great example of this, because it's a crime drama and this shit happens. But for something like this, when it's outside the normal scope of a story and it's done not only as part of an "event" book, but drawn in hideously "artsy" detail . . .

That's when I throw up a red flag or two.
diabhol From: [info]diabhol Date: January 1st, 2009 03:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Seen what happened to Aceveda in The Shield?

Or various characters on Oz?

Rape happens. It happens to men, it happens to women. It happens to women more in fiction because it happens to women more in real life. And on this planet, men do more of the writing, more of the editing, and more of the raping. It sucks.

And I'll tell you; if the wife of a superhero gets raped, everyone feels powerless. After all, shouldn't a hero be able to defend the person he loves? What's the point of having fantastic powers if you can't?

I imagine one of the reasons they chose rape is because it's on the short list of a spouse's worst nightmare ever. It's also one of the few acts that would fit the story.

The problem is that the idea that anyone would allow the rapist of a superheroes wife to live is more unbelievable than Superman's origin.

The DCU needs The Punisher.


nash076 From: [info]nash076 Date: January 1st, 2009 11:28 am (UTC) (Link)
The Shield and Oz are different worlds from the DCU. When you turn on those shows, you have your setting. You have your theme. You have the place and the feel, and within the bounds of those stories, those things fit.

But if you want to get a sense of why this kind of clashes for me, I'll let D'Orazio say it in her own words, from Goodbye to Comics - We Need a Rape:

“The rape pages are in!”

The Rape Pages. There is something almost festive about the way the phrase rolls off your tongue.

In the Rape Pages Vicki Victim, who was chosen as the theoretical sacrificial lamb for the theoretical Gilgongo! Comics’s sea change from “too nice” to “badass," was being raped by a supervillain. The artist would later tell me that drawing those pages made him feel ill.

Honestly, I felt ill looking at them that day. I felt like my head was swaying, light. Hmph, I was too weak, not badass, just like a “girl.” Why couldn’t I be more like my female co-worker -- stoic and no-nonsense? She read saw the pages, she read the scripts, and she had no problem with them.

Actually, she did have a problem with them. But she never told anybody who could make a difference. And she didn’t tell anybody because she was smart. And so was I.


Give the whole thing a read. The business of comics and why this happened was by no means to serve the story.

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